Comments on: How not to suck at Omaha, Step One https://cardquant.com/how-not-to-suck-at-omaha-step-1/ Poker Decoded Sun, 28 Jul 2019 03:18:49 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Phil Rocquemore https://cardquant.com/how-not-to-suck-at-omaha-step-1/#comment-95 Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:52:04 +0000 http://quadrophobia.com/?p=763#comment-95 In reply to Evgenii.

Hi Evgenii,

Thanks for your comment. When a hand is “in the top 16% of starting hands” it can be anywhere from the 1st to 16th percentile inclusive. In this instance, AsJs8d7c is in the 16th percentile. As a consequence, when you run the HandvRange equity you would expect AJ87 to be a dog versus 16% because most of the hands in the top 16% dominate AJ87. In fact this effect gets more pronounced the tighter the range is due to the concentration of AA/AKK/KKds. The reason that we aren’t too concerned about equity with say a 50th percentile hand against a 50% 3-bet range is that those {AA…} hands form a tiny part of such a wide range. The reason this effect is very important against say a 7% range OOP is that the hands that dominate us constitute a great fraction of such a tight range.

In answer to your response to a 3-bet with AJ87 versus a 16% range, many other factors need to be considered. For example we should always continue having opened on the BTN at deep stacks because otherwise we fold so frequently that our opponent immediately profits by 3-betting virtually any 4 cards. In contrast when we open from UTG OOP we have such a tight range that our opponent is not exploiting us if we fold this hand. Whether to continue with this hand OOP would depend on exactly how our opponent constructs his 3-bet range (more ds trash makes this a better call, broadway concentrations make it worse) and how well he plays post flop. Since this hand has mediocre nut potential, we are looking for either a very passive player (who allows us to get to SD often) or a player who C-bets the flop with such a high frequency that we can check/shove or reverse float light.

That should get you started on understanding a much underestimated part of PLO- preflop strategy in 3bet pots.

Quad

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By: Evgenii https://cardquant.com/how-not-to-suck-at-omaha-step-1/#comment-94 Mon, 12 Aug 2013 15:11:36 +0000 http://quadrophobia.com/?p=763#comment-94 Hi Quad!
I’m novice in poker math and I have question : you said that AsJs8d7c in the top 16% of all starting hands.
But when I have used
1) hand compare option in propokertools : AsJs8d7c vs 16% – I have seen difference in equity ~ 45% vs 55% => 16% range better than AsJs8d7c

2) Omaha Hi Hand Ranking in propokertools : AsJs8d7c has average mark 16 versus random hand

When I play poker and use HUD – for example I can see that opponent 3bet range = 16% => Am I need to fold AsJs8d7c? if no money from another players in the pot.

Please explain

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By: xazervl https://cardquant.com/how-not-to-suck-at-omaha-step-1/#comment-93 Mon, 03 Jun 2013 04:39:08 +0000 http://quadrophobia.com/?p=763#comment-93 Thank you for response.
My Odds Oracle trial expired and I haven’t bought it yet so I ran simulation on their website, I used “Count” function and got 5.25% answer (9%-base count,5.25%-optymized count). I used to think it is correct way to get answer on my question but I miss something. Seems I have some fundamental errors in my thinking.

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By: Phil Rocquemore https://cardquant.com/how-not-to-suck-at-omaha-step-1/#comment-92 Sun, 02 Jun 2013 14:40:09 +0000 http://quadrophobia.com/?p=763#comment-92 In reply to xazervl.

Hi xazervl,

Thank you for your comment.
When I ran the simulation, “How often does Player 1 Match Hand Range 9%,” with those cards as blockers PPT returned a frequency of 7.3%. I’m curious as to what simulation you ran to get 5.25%, since 9-5.25 =3.75% >> all combos of KK. I would caution against the assumption that a BT 3-bettor drops most trip Aces from his range (I certainly don’t). If you accept my methodology, then the ‘blocker effect’ you wanted to calculate comes to 2.2%/7.3% = 30% of the time your opponent will have aces.

That should help,

Quad

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By: xazervl https://cardquant.com/how-not-to-suck-at-omaha-step-1/#comment-91 Sat, 01 Jun 2013 14:17:42 +0000 http://quadrophobia.com/?p=763#comment-91 Hi! I have a question about an influence blockers on a width of 3 betting range. Assume that we open KsKhJs7h and get 3bet from BU who has 9% range. Suppose for the sake of simplicity that he 3bets top 9% hands. When i put this situation to PPT I found out that 9% range drops to 5.25%! Does it mean that he 3bets me in only 5.25% times when i hold this hand? AA!AAA:xx composes 1.83% of starting hands => he’ll have aces in 1.83/5.25=35% times? Am I right?

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